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I did not see a thread for this so I started a new one. Today the FIA came out with a list of new rules for the upcoming 2010 season. The biggest change of all LOW FUEL QUALIFYING 
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Changes to qualifying in 2010 rules
The FIA's new sporting and technical regulations for the 2010 Formula 1 world championship, published today, feature changes to the qualifying procedure to accommodate the expected 26-car grid next year.
The hour-long session will still be split into three segments, but will now see the slowest eight dropped in the opening 20-minute Q1 session, and another eight in Q2 to allow for 10 drivers to contest the shoot-out over 10 minutes.
Moreover, in a move that will please fans, Q3 will now be run in low-fuel configuration with the regulations taking into account the re-fuelling ban for 2010.
Other significant points in the document, posted on the FIA's website, include a continuation of the current points system, as opposed to Bernie Ecclestone's previously mooted winner-takes-all medals scheme.
Each car's minimum weight has been raised to 620kg, to take into account the added weight of KERS - which will still be allowed under next year's regulations, despite FOTA's agreement not to use the system.
Tyre warmers will also be allowed, despite previous indications that they would be banned on cost-saving grounds.
The re-written regulations also no longer contain any reference to the proposals for a two-tier Formula 1, that was at the centre of the row between the sport's governing body and the Formula One Teams' Association prior to the signing of the tri-partite Concord Agreement last month.
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The full list of changes can be found here in PDF format.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Im looking forward to the low fuel qualifying.
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Altho i was a fan of the FOTA movement, i'm praying to everyone's god(s) that at least one or more non-FOTA teams end up using KERS next season! just to stick it up FOTA for trying to get rid of the first major technological challenge in F1 for a long time, just because they struggled 
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I think the money spent on KERS was a waste. Top teams dumping millions into it to only find themselves struggling on the circuit against those who dont have it. It has provided nothing spectacular except that the cars with KERS have better starts.
F1 is more enjoyable on an even platform. All cars under the same regulations so that way it is one sided during the race.
Williams are dropped from the FOTA so they are doing what they feel is right and are defying the FOTA by having KERS in their car for 2010. They talk it up like it is the most important thing in their lives. Hell, its not been on the car or tested on track even once. The system isnt even ready yet.
Not very different from the testing agreement that all teams had signed except Ferrari.
In a couple months, the FOTA will reinstate Williams and KERS will be dropped once and for all.
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you hope.
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| Fil wrote: | | Altho i was a fan of the FOTA movement, i'm praying to everyone's god(s) that at least one or more non-FOTA teams end up using KERS next season! just to stick it up FOTA for trying to get rid of the first major technological challenge in F1 for a long time, just because they struggled |
They are not dropping it because they struggled - Mclaren-Mercedes certainly haven't struggled - but because it is a very expensive technology that, in the form needed for F1, has little application for road car use, in an era when the sport is trying to reduce costs.
Great set of regulations, btw, no refuelling.
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Low fuel Q3, yay
No refueling, yay
Tire warmers, yay
Heavier cars, yay
Same points, boo
KERS, meh
and please, please, please DNQs. That would totally rock my world.
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So a fuel-economical engine is the way to go for 2010?
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| arepera wrote: |
and please, please, please DNQs. That would totally rock my world. |
It would also 'rock' the chances of sponsors entering with anything other than a front running team. back in the good old days when running an F1 team cost a hell of a lot less than it does now small teams had little trouble getting Acme Shaving Foam to chuck in fifty grand for ten races. That paid for the lunch bill across teh year.
Now, we have high profile sponsors who are in it for a high profile deal, and none would take kindly to paying for 17 races exposure on two cars, and not getting them all.
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| sumster wrote: | | Williams.. ..talk it up like it is the most important thing in their lives. |
The commercial aspect of their KERS is vitally important to Williams so of course they want to keep a public spotlight on it. They run a business afterall. What better way to show it off than run it in F1 in 2010!
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They are not dropping it because they struggled - Mclaren-Mercedes certainly haven't struggled
Great set of regulations, btw, no refuelling. |
The teams didn't struggle with the technological challenge? No? Really?
Where was Toyota's KERS? Renault's came out for a cameo.. BMW's was too heavy.. Ferrari wasn't sure whether their's was on half the time.. Honda ran away completely!
Mercedes eventually made it work, are reaping the benefits & have been a part of a number of overtakings & the bulk of the exciting first lap moves!
It has been a performance differentiator - what we have all cried has been lost with the end of engine development. Imagine a more powerful version being available! 2009 was only meant to be the beginning, a soft launch if you like.
And cost a factor? You honestly believe the teams would have saved the $$ spent on KERS & not spent it elsewhere? No one is that naive!
At least you could see KERS performance differentiation (unlike Double Diffusers or 7sp sequential twin clutch carbon-fibre case gearboxes).
So, low fuel quali (one we all agree is great!).. have the parc ferme conditions changed?
the cars will be running low fuel but setup for high fuel (as they will start the race).. or will quali setups be allowed?
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| Fil wrote: | | The teams didn't struggle with the technological challenge? No? Really? |
I didn't say they didn't struggle with the techological challenge, but that that is not the reason KERS has been shelved.
| Quote: | | It has been a performance differentiator |
It has, but is it the sort of performance difference we want? Surely, with something that makes such a big difference, it should be compulsory, or not allowed? Why, after all, did we get rid of tyre competition?
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Absolutely correct, but the teams - particular Red Bull and Brawn - have shown that it is wise to spend it elsewhere. The cost element comes into play as the initiative now is on saving money, not spending it, and KERS simply does not fit the bill. As it is in F1 it will never have a road car use.
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haha after my KERS rant, i realise i read your initial sentence incorrectly! my apologies, i'm glad we agreed on the challenge it brought! 
| mercuryg wrote: | | but is it the sort of performance difference we want? Surely, with something that makes such a big difference, it should be compulsory, or not allowed? Why, after all, did we get rid of tyre competition? |
Lets get rid of front and rear wings then - they are the fundamental issue with overtaking - not the sort of performance differentiation we want! 
KERS wasn't compulsory due to the teams being scared to have it ready for 09. The only failure of KERS was the FIA not making it even more of a performance difference.
Tyre competition had little to do with the teams, and this is a competition between F1 teams.
Out of interest, were any teams in favour of a single tyre formula?
Does the recently signed Concorde Agreement remove KERS in future years' regs?
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when oh when are they going to do away with carbon brake rotors for steel ones? Much like KERS, this is a technology that will never see a road car purely on the basis of cost and the amount of dust they produce.
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| mercuryg wrote: | | arepera wrote: |
and please, please, please DNQs. That would totally rock my world. |
It would also 'rock' the chances of sponsors entering with anything other than a front running team. back in the good old days when running an F1 team cost a hell of a lot less than it does now small teams had little trouble getting Acme Shaving Foam to chuck in fifty grand for ten races. That paid for the lunch bill across teh year.
Now, we have high profile sponsors who are in it for a high profile deal, and none would take kindly to paying for 17 races exposure on two cars, and not getting them all. |
Hey, I am just an idea man. I will let the matters of implementation be worked out by more disciplined people.
I still love the idea of the Damoclean sword of DNQ hanging over teams' heads. The problem is, of course, that if it is always the same team getting axed, then it would just ruin someone to no purpose.
As for the sponsors, I am sure they could easily make contracts with performance clauses. No race, no pay.
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